tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post1688853240361258751..comments2024-03-26T10:03:51.827+13:00Comments on Karl du Fresne: At last, some pushback - albeit half-hearted - against Harawira's vigilantes Karl du Fresnehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05054853925940134404noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-61840077156512833472020-04-24T19:26:11.839+12:002020-04-24T19:26:11.839+12:00The new Police Commissioner, Andrew Coster, has do...The new Police Commissioner, Andrew Coster, has done the same on Moaning Report this morning, effectively avoiding answering the question on the legality of the vigilante road blocks. In a sense what he conceded was worse, as if these vigilante road blocks continue under Level 3 they need to be "Police led" - so what has the leadership level been under the current L4 I wonder.<br /><br />You can listen to the interview here https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018743896<br /><br />Bush politicised the Police to an alarming degree and Karl gave him heaps over this and his craven supporting eulogy of the disgraced Detective Len Hutton. Bush also used every opportunity to arm the Police in public to create a new normal. How do we, the people, push back? Maybe Bush's legacy will be the Royal Commission finding of the Police total failure over Tarrant obtaining firearms and ammunition at will. <br /><br />Lawyer Michael Bott wrote about the Police use of lethal force in the DimPost yesterday - see here <br />https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/121183331/all-frontline-police-should-wear-body-cameras-that-record-all-use-of-force-interactionBirdmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01629122020010903612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-72407698286336838732020-04-24T09:13:44.745+12:002020-04-24T09:13:44.745+12:00I can recall the previous Police commissioner bein...I can recall the previous Police commissioner being asked by a reporter on radio if he supported the Northland illegal vigilante roadblock. His weasel answer was along the lines of "we need to talk to local communities" Or somesuch similar waffle.<br />This was the Police response to an illegal activity on public radio. <br />I also heartily endorse the above comments by Trev1 and Scott.Doug Longmirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12008729336442910333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-36624601105091719992020-04-23T17:24:01.986+12:002020-04-23T17:24:01.986+12:00Karl
Our academic and media institutions have spe...Karl<br /><br />Our academic and media institutions have spent several decades deconstructing the foundations of western civilisation, including the rule of law that was predicated upon an external and higher authority. In the case of the West, this equated to the legal and judicial precepts contained within the bible. <br /><br />We can purge Christianity from the public square, (as we have) and celebrate the autonomous individual, but we shouldn't be surprised when men cast off restraint and behave as a law unto themselves. This is the logical outcome; we are our own gods.<br /><br />Neither should we be surprised that National Party politicians have little stomach for calling out 'transgressors' within such a cultural milieu. Only affirmations and encouragements are considered culturally and politically safe.<br /><br />For the same reasons, they are slow to defend free speech, something once considered a cornerstone of liberal western democracies. The roots of the problem are the same. We are the first generation that has sought to implement a social order that is not predicated on a religious order, and the fruits of this experiment are beginning to become evident.<br /><br />I'm not always this cheerful about our cultural trajectory, but as WB Yeats once said "the centre cannot hold".<br /><br />Brendan McNeillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02741263914308842497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-79316959101292048632020-04-23T16:31:37.611+12:002020-04-23T16:31:37.611+12:00Good points Karl. I'm thinking of setting up a...Good points Karl. I'm thinking of setting up a similar style checkpoint at the top of the Rimutakas to stop Wellingtonians coming into the Wairarapa with all their possible diseases. Seeing as we are a virus free DHB. I'm very confident of success. But as a white Christian male I'm a tad concerned I could possibly be treated differently than Hone and his whanau? What do people think? Is it a matter of having the right ancestors? Is it a matter of the colour of my skin? Surely not?? Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09006013946847228416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-61436031451214780522020-04-23T16:05:18.850+12:002020-04-23T16:05:18.850+12:00A government that gives its blessing to racist hoo...A government that gives its blessing to racist hooligans usurping the powers of the State, a cringing, dependent media that is now effectively the government's mouthpiece, an increasingly infantilized and servile public... The lights are going out all over New Zealand, we shall not see them lit again in our lifetime.Trev1https://www.blogger.com/profile/00271717267778957672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-88238621141425441722020-04-23T15:37:28.981+12:002020-04-23T15:37:28.981+12:00
Yes, we are all in agreement that this governme... <br /> Yes, we are all in agreement that this government’s arrogant dismissal of what is obviously wrong in law is despicable. And we wring our hands in powerless despair about it. May I suggest that this is just one more example of postmodernism in action. Over the last quarter century or so, this philosophy has become the prevailing one in many western nations. It permeates much recent legislation in New Zealand. <br /><br />We used to proudly insist that our European civilisation always looked to reason, science and humanism for guidance. Not any longer. Instead we follow whatever whims or notions that appear in society (and they appear with amazing speed in this age of instant mass communication). We no longer adhere to the established, ethical principles of our ancestors. <br /><br />Why worry if what you do is legally wrong, as in this case? <br /><br />Why worry if frightfully inhumane legislation makes it illegal for people to visit dying friends, parents or grandparents?<br /><br />Why get upset if tyrannical civil defence legislation bans free citizens from leaving their homes? <br /><br />The end justifies the means - even if the end is just the ideological, fanciful notion that we must perforce eradicate this very ordinary, run-of-the-mill epidemic. <br /><br />Shame on Jacinda Ardern and her pathetic bunch of fellow legislators. Shame. <br /> <br /> Andy Espersenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03760941469016543317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-7975011478874060542020-04-23T15:00:12.662+12:002020-04-23T15:00:12.662+12:00My daughter, alone in the car, was subject to an i... My daughter, alone in the car, was subject to an intimidating grilling by a large, aggressive, masked, gangster type on the state highway coming into town - Kaikohe. He demanded personal information (name and address), what was she doing etc. She's a tough nut (takes after her mother) but was very upset. <br /><br />Anyone with a little knowledge of human nature/psychology/history could see where the foolish tolerance of vigilante highwaymen would end. The compassionate, concerned townsfolk seeking to protect their community would be inevitably replaced; bullied out of the way by the last people you would want. The prospects for intimidation, control and power would prove irresistible and you end up with the strutting psychopath that accosted my daughter.<br /><br />The conservative approach is to recognise that folk aren't perfect, that they have the familiar foibles of human nature. The wise, traditional response is to develop systems that operate with that in mind so that we can enjoy a functional society as far as that's possible. The police are an example; as well as their mandate from the people via our consent to be governed they are bound, individually and collectively, by protocol, procedure, oversight and accountability. Their opportunities to do real harm are thereby limited; not so your self appointed vigilante. <br /><br />Make this stop now! David Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04883628159193125307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-78731573863123684482020-04-23T12:57:35.353+12:002020-04-23T12:57:35.353+12:00This should have been stopped weeks ago.
I posted ...This should have been stopped weeks ago.<br />I posted about the issue here https://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2020/04/14/why-are-the-nz-police-supporting-vigilante-thugs/ <br />I have also contacted various politicians with no response as yet.<br />This behaviour by activists, police and politicians is wrong, very wrongPeter Salmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16177046203848494773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-48858072841406778042020-04-23T11:43:01.948+12:002020-04-23T11:43:01.948+12:00If you define “legal” as anything a senior policem...If you define “legal” as anything a senior policeman says is OK then these roadblocks are “within the law” I suppose, but if you define illegal as anything which is contrary to the law (which is how I would define it) then the roadblocks are patently illegal. That the National Party is dithering is extraordinary - their former leader Don Brash is absolutely clear on this. Why can’t current National MPs get their heads around this. They should be demanding that it be stopped and should have been doing so three weeks ago.Max Ritchiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09700377308425417842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-47146600731390350832020-04-23T09:01:08.447+12:002020-04-23T09:01:08.447+12:00Another excellent commentary to be widely shared t...Another excellent commentary to be widely shared thank you Karl. And according to Ardern in her media conference yesterday, she's "okay" with these illegal activities as long as they are "within the law". New Zealanders in their childlike adoration of St Jacinda of the Pandemic swallow this nonsense it appears. We are witnessing a power-grab that will eventually see parts of New Zealand controlled by separatists imposing their own racist agenda.Odysseushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04745489060434244478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-48141337998515990922020-04-22T16:39:20.908+12:002020-04-22T16:39:20.908+12:00Bravo, Karl. I also listened to Tina Ngata - and...Bravo, Karl. I also listened to Tina Ngata - and like you was bemused that RNZ chose to interview her - as if a statement from her should be made to counteract the complainant's. That is like insisting that a robber's excuses and explanations must be mentioned following a complaint from the person being robbed. Most New Zealanders agree with you on this one. Andy Espersenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03760941469016543317noreply@blogger.com