tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post3114297291062310893..comments2024-03-26T10:03:51.827+13:00Comments on Karl du Fresne: On Vaxathon, gangs and double standardsKarl du Fresnehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05054853925940134404noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-34286555673969198742021-10-22T21:05:28.180+13:002021-10-22T21:05:28.180+13:00"Vaccines do initially prevent people from ca..."Vaccines do initially prevent people from catching Covid, but as the experience of Israel, the US and the UK attests, effectiveness begins to wane almost immediately. The latest UK data shows vaccine efficacy waning by around 5 per cent per week in double-vaccinated people over the last six weeks. Moreover, as efficacy declines, double-vaccinated people are more likely to catch Covid than the unvaccinated, with rates of infection in double-vaccinated people higher in every age group over 30.<br />The vaccinated are not just more likely to catch Covid, they are more likely to spread it. A study from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) done in Wisconsin showed that vaccinated people have the same high viral loads as unvaccinated people when they are symptomatic, but a much higher percentage of vaccinated people (82 per cent) had high viral loads while asymptomatic compared with unvaccinated people (29 per cent). This means unvaccinated people are less likely to spread Covid than vaccinated people because the former are more likely to stay home in bed whereas the latter are much more likely to go to work." (Rebecca Weisser, Covid Lepers, The Spectator Australia 23.Oct. 2021)<br /><br />So the goal of 90% vaccinated, all the passports and mandates are absolutely meaningless. The Government has had time to look round the world and choose the best way possible to treat the Covid. It seems that they have stopped to look cca in March. <br /><br />There are 6 more long weeks of level 3 for Auckland till 29th November. Can you imagine what can happen? And all for nothing, just for the ambition of our PM to achieve unachievable. <br />Alexandra Corbett Dekanova Alexandra Corbett Dekanovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15340465089071056677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-25713186687471842422021-10-22T19:12:11.456+13:002021-10-22T19:12:11.456+13:00I emailed Destiny Church and said I didn't bea...I emailed Destiny Church and said I didn't bear them any ill will...actually I rather admire their vexatiousness. Who am I to knock them, 'their people'...does the Bish speak of 'his people'?...he should, it's quite the thing these days...if they support folks living better lives for their kids and families, more power to them. Is it any different to the Mormons & the like? Down here in ChCh we continue to pay lip service to the rules...I still don't have the app, I ignore the PM's rallies, I mask-up when I have to and I carry on. Gist I get from today's pronouncements is that we down here would be better stalling below 90% as L2 is a bit freer. Happy daze..I'm sticking with my 2nd dose at 12 wks, hell/high water.<br /> Hilary Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00240590567749247083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-47628136589196756292021-10-22T17:12:34.448+13:002021-10-22T17:12:34.448+13:00Actually - it was HMS PInafore.Actually - it was HMS PInafore.Doug Longmirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12008729336442910333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-66958223770531557252021-10-22T11:30:03.326+13:002021-10-22T11:30:03.326+13:00Just this morning we hear the details of Governme...Just this morning we hear the details of Government's new "Traffic-light plan". Just more of the same - more complex rules and regulations - no more freedom. But freedom is what we need in this situation. <br /><br />And then we see Brian Tamaki thrown into jail, strip-searched like an ordinary criminal - only standing up for freedom. I know people who are now intending not to have their second jab just to back Tamaki - and, of course, at the same time fighting the Labour government's brain-washing tactics. Bravo for our freedom-loving Maori race - always instinctively against being told what to do. Andy Espersenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18391974844284751975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-7461673946104062122021-10-21T18:00:04.990+13:002021-10-21T18:00:04.990+13:00Quoting you Eamon:-
Recall that Police Commission...Quoting you Eamon:-<br /> Recall that Police Commissioner Andrew Coster said that policing as a service is performed with “consent”. <br /><br />You are dead right. This current clown is the most p.c., woke and gang friendly Police commissioner ever. Very much like a Gilbert and Sullivan character.<br /><br />I am serious - listen to the Pirates of Penzance "The Ruler of the Queens Navy" - with his sisters and his cousins and they number by the dozens and his aunts !!Doug Longmirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12008729336442910333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-5064372064521761492021-10-21T09:55:18.606+13:002021-10-21T09:55:18.606+13:00Eamon, your thoughts that the booster shot will be...Eamon, your thoughts that the booster shot will be due next year is well out. I had my second shot in May, so my 6 months is up in November.<br /><br />At present they are still talking about it and waiting to follow the science, whatever that means. So the worst decision I made was to just step up and get jabbed early. I will now be more vulnerable than those that couldn't be bothered. Plus there were never any rewards offered if you stepped up early. CXHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07716356211635024878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-57602713882945870412021-10-21T05:56:43.219+13:002021-10-21T05:56:43.219+13:00Further to my post on the 18th, Cactus Kate hos go...Further to my post on the 18th, Cactus Kate hos got the actual numbers which show the vaxathon caused a drop in both first and second injections. It was just a PR exercise to promote the Labour party. Chris Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10557217407223228656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-29730761153744695042021-10-20T21:52:32.095+13:002021-10-20T21:52:32.095+13:00This comment has been removed by the author.Eamon Sloanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03551803651059076248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-76352029483977751142021-10-20T16:02:28.191+13:002021-10-20T16:02:28.191+13:00The present vaccination hysteria can cause future ...The present vaccination hysteria can cause future trouble when vaccinated people become overconfident and less inclined to follow basic common sense rules like distancing, mask wearing etc. as it is happening now in Europe. The vaccines that are available are not effective to the point that can allow people to live as we did before and as many here hope they will be able to. The vaccination passports, mandates etc. are logically meaningless. The better protection can be antigen testing at schools, work places etc. that can detect those that can spread illnesses (not only Covid), I mean testing vaccinated as well as unvaccinated. <br /><br />Vaccination is important to protect you but with the vaccines we have it should not be the only weapon. The example of Uttar Pradesh is worth following with Ivermectin or without (I read good articles and watched good videos showing that it is working for Covid, e. g. dr. John Campbell on you Tube). Families and especially poor families should be given vitamines, masks etc and the mainstream media should promote simple lifestyle changes we all can do to boost our immune system, e g. stop smoking (2X more mortality from Covid), vitamines, Zinc, going outside as much as possible, exercises etc. <br /><br />We also need to look at Covid-19 without panicking, it is not Spanish flu ((9.100 dead in NZ, up to 50 mill.worldwide), nor SARS-1. Yes, it can be serious but there are steps of prevention we all can take. We should stop to be so fascinated by the numbers of cases. <br /><br />But the main thing is that the Government and the media should stop to incite the vain hope that vaccination (even 90%) will save us from Covid and give us back freedom that we enjoyed before. Contrary to that, their duty is to prepare people for changes and give us realistic vision and most of all prepare the hospitals and medical staff (that had to happen a year ago). <br /><br /> <br />Alexandra Corbett DekanovaAlexandra Corbett Dekanovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07235642770802626232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-16231279767581282712021-10-20T12:28:20.551+13:002021-10-20T12:28:20.551+13:00Karl
There is emerging evidence that suggests we ...Karl<br /><br />There is emerging evidence that suggests we are traveling down the wrong path with mass vaccinations against covid-19. The present approach drives virus mutations and the evidence from Israel, the UK and elsewhere is that the leaky vaccines do not provide the level of immunization initially claimed by Pfizer, or our Government.<br /><br />A former Pfizer executive and Scientist has long been sharing this viewpoint:<br /><br />https://nulluslocussinegenio.com/2021/09/13/why-mass-vaccinations-prolong-and-make-epidemics-deadlier-real-vaccine-expert-calls-out-flawed-government-pandemic-strategy/<br /><br />A report from Stuff.co.nz today describing growing case numbers in the UK, a highly vaccinated country re-enforces this view:<br /><br />https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300434183/covid19-britain-faces-calls-for-plan-b-with-virus-cases-high-and-rising<br /><br />It ought to be obvious that we are not going to vaccinate our way to herd immunity. In fact vaccination may ultimately increase our vulnerability to Covid-19 and its derivatives. We know that the double vaccinated are equally able to catch and spread the virus. Recent data out of the UK reveals more double vaccinated persons 40 and over are catching covid-19 compared to the unvaccinated, per 100,000 of population. Therefore, Vaccine Passports, travel restrictions, jab mandates, and punitive measures against the unvaccinated make no rational sense.<br /><br />Our Government and their advisors must surely know this by now, so why no pause for thought? Are they too deeply invested in the current narrative to contemplate a change of course?<br /><br />We are suffering from the politicization of the virus which presents a greater risk to us than the virus itself.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Brendan McNeillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02741263914308842497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-74651067143160439342021-10-20T08:18:56.887+13:002021-10-20T08:18:56.887+13:00Fair comment Bush.
Here is the paper:-
https://on...Fair comment Bush.<br />Here is the paper:-<br />https://onepagericu.com/blog/debunking-ivermectin-a-complete-guide?fbclid=IwAR1Dm39b1B0UamLx46C__1B3HHPiEHW9jmOTmQFV90TDoug Longmirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12008729336442910333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-76515306847564007712021-10-19T23:28:55.770+13:002021-10-19T23:28:55.770+13:00Brian Tamaki and a couple of others will be charge...Brian Tamaki and a couple of others will be charged, I hear.<br /><br />When the judge asks police what crime they are charged with, the answer will be, “Your Honour, these protesters insist we uphold clause 11 in the NZ Bill of Rights which states that everyone has the right to refuse to undergo any medical treatment”.Andy Espersenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18391974844284751975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-57668517016075890222021-10-19T21:44:06.744+13:002021-10-19T21:44:06.744+13:00Doug, can I suggest that when publishing "an ...Doug, can I suggest that when publishing "an extract from a scientific paper", seemingly to refute another's comments, that you in fact accurately reference the paper - I for one would very much like to read it for myself!<br /><br />The vaccine mandates announced last week don't yet appear to have been put into law, or backed up with a PHO . . . <br />Bush Apologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16614733875394111895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-10514705454523442502021-10-19T16:16:21.695+13:002021-10-19T16:16:21.695+13:00The problem for the Government is that any already...The problem for the Government is that any already partially or completely hesitant "antivaxxers" reading overseas non-cheerleader media will be becoming more hesitant about vaccination, not less. The experience of the early vaccination countries like Israel and UK is clearing showing that the vaccination has a pretty short half life and that "taking two jabs for the country" is going to turn into taking a jab every 6 months for the rest of your life. <br /><br />I have always thought that the case for getting vaxxed if you were healthy and young was pretty poor, as more evidence comes out about the waning nature of the vacccine (which was never mentioned in the messaging) and the side effects I think more young, healthy people will make the decision to face the virus down "naked".<br /><br />Will the Government just accept whatever vaccination rate arises from people's natural inclination, or will they stick to some predetermined ideal percentage before letting us out to play again? Unfortunately, I think it will be the latter and it will be a struggle.<br /> Roger Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14797008464507065098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-53079831306052247462021-10-19T10:44:32.749+13:002021-10-19T10:44:32.749+13:00The inconsistencies of policing are gross and ongo...The inconsistencies of policing are gross and ongoing. I have already noted the two instances of:-<br /> a/ 74 year old man arrested, prosecuted and fined for the "crime" of going whitebaiting alone up a remote river, and<br />b/ the man pepper-sprayed, wrestled to the ground by two police using knee on throat ( George Floyd style). handcuffed and arrested for the "crime" of not wearing a facemask in a Countdown carpark.<br /><br />However, gangs can have great convoys up SH 1, hanging out car windows etc. and they are apparently let go - no George Floyd style pepper spray or physical attempt to halt the illegal activity.<br /><br />Also I note that the Vaxathon did achieve higher vaccination levels, but I wondered - "What are we coming to in New Zealand, where we have to be treated like school children on a Gala day to achieve a basic Public Health imitative? Do we really need to have Cindy's kindy ?"Doug Longmirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12008729336442910333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-11194148431556271972021-10-19T09:34:35.164+13:002021-10-19T09:34:35.164+13:00David's comments are, imo wildly inaccurate.
I...David's comments are, imo wildly inaccurate.<br />Ivermectin is not a treatment. Here is an extract from a scientific paper which assesses the effectiveness of ivermectin in killing Covid virus. <br /><br />To put it simply - concentrations of ivermectin from oral dosing simply cannot ever reach levels that will have any effect upon viruses. The effective anti virus concentration is 100 times the dose that a human can swallow and absorb into their bloodstream.<br /><br />"Ivermania began in early 2020, when a group of scientists in Australia found that ivermectin, a widely used anti-parasitic drug, could apparently stop SARS-CoV2 from replicating in vitro. There are always limitations to in vitro studies, but especially in the early days of the pandemic, a repurposed medication to treat COVID19 was an exciting prospect.<br /><br />Unfortunately, from inception there appears to have been overreach. The original paper that found that ivermectin inhibited viral replication in cell culture used a 5 micromolar concentration. In vivo the drug has a Cmax of about 50 nanomolar. That means that dose that was required in vitro (IC50) is 100x higher than what can actually be achieved in vivo (Cmax). Even using a dose much higher than the safe/approved dose is unlikely to reach the level that was required in vitro."Doug Longmirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12008729336442910333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-59499584242407822522021-10-19T08:53:41.457+13:002021-10-19T08:53:41.457+13:00Re David 888: it's probably not necessary for ...Re David 888: it's probably not necessary for me to say this, but publication of comments on this site doesn't imply endorsement. Karl du Fresnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05054853925940134404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-15821494540497065292021-10-19T08:50:08.848+13:002021-10-19T08:50:08.848+13:00you actually did make the point clear Karl.
An exc...you actually did make the point clear Karl.<br />An excellent article.Doug Longmirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12008729336442910333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-65559227210728118342021-10-18T20:50:40.989+13:002021-10-18T20:50:40.989+13:00Of course I admire this excellent expose’ of the ...Of course I admire this excellent expose’ of the cynical spin displayed by our government - who wouldn’t? But it only deals critically with the nuts and bolts of lockdowns and vaccinations - the theory behind it all is not commented on. <br /><br />Nobody still seems to quite comprehend that the whole, miserable, New Zealand lockdown story, commencing in March last year, was basically a terrible mistake – simply because it introduced legislation which was both ethically and legally wrong. <br /> <br />Ethically, as the legislation was manifestly inequitable and unfair : its ramifications hurt the economically and psychologically vulnerable of us horribly - while the richer of us, with secure incomes and homes, often quite enjoyed the lockdowns. <br /> <br />Legally, as lockdown laws blithely ignored and overruled all established, albeit mostly unwritten citizens’ rights – unwritten in a democratic country simply because no author of constitutions could imagine a government ever abolishing basic human rights such as being allowed to leave your home - to visit friends and family – not to be forced to undergo medical treatment - to employ yourself and others in your lawful occupation – to enter your own country any time you chose. Andy Espersenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18391974844284751975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-70579099873264862192021-10-18T19:47:54.114+13:002021-10-18T19:47:54.114+13:00The burning question from Saturday is this:
How m...The burning question from Saturday is this:<br /><br />How many of those receiving their first jabs will turn up at the appointed date and time (and I assume they all got a second jab appointment time and date) for their second jab - unless about 37,000 do then the whole charade has just been a waste of time and money,<br /><br />Well at least Jacinda, Grant and Chippy will not lose any sleep about the money - it is only other peoples after all. <br /><br />Will this most open and transparent government tell us - doubt it.pdmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13011861811163633347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-46246608650738686882021-10-18T19:35:30.616+13:002021-10-18T19:35:30.616+13:00David Seymour made the excellent point that Saturd...David Seymour made the excellent point that Saturday was the 21st best day in NZ for the number of first jabs given.<br />Not the best, not even in the top ten, but the 21st !!<br />You will never read that in any MSM.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14974821210221902007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-79734400874934937652021-10-18T17:36:39.636+13:002021-10-18T17:36:39.636+13:00The real analysis will be done on the daily data i...The real analysis will be done on the daily data in about a week's time. Then with a 7 day rolling average, the effect (or lack of one) will be seen. I suspect many of those vaccinated were going to get it done some time that week. <br />I was very surprised at the number of vaccination cheerleaders who had their second injection that day. That very much indicates they believed in "do as I say, not as I do". Chris Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10557217407223228656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-5355227260956574162021-10-18T17:15:48.041+13:002021-10-18T17:15:48.041+13:00I’m sure you will recall that the Telethons in the...I’m sure you will recall that the Telethons in the 70s showed a spirit of giving. An effort by the population and celebrities to see how much kiwis could get in behind an idea and donate. This vaxathon strikes me as a cynical government taking advantage of how they have indoctrinated people into the “what’s in it for me” mindset. Well it worked with the media but I think it’s a bit low stooping to corruption to achieve what should have already been a done deal months ago.<br />The gang situation is little different to the Taliban. They are terrorists. The police have used military to assist in policing before during emergencies. Set up a paramilitary group to combat gangs along the lines of the AOS.<br />Terry Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07523590286071998930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-62167781771276857762021-10-18T16:41:24.349+13:002021-10-18T16:41:24.349+13:00David, it bothers me the sort of evil that it seem...David, it bothers me the sort of evil that it seems you are trying to promote – the unvaccinated should be "locked out of work, shops, leisure and travel. Be vaccinated and everything reopens to you." How less sinister are you trying to be than the hand-maidens of totalitarianism we have in power at the moment. <br /><br />Surely, a free society is free in every form. Just because someone chooses to question the narrative should not preclude them from their fundamental rights – one of which is the right to work and to feed their families. Is it your belief that society should set up a siege against such people and starve them to death or into subjugated obedience? Can you see how ugly that looks? <br /><br />What if we considered alternate strategies, such as that of Uttar Pradesh. Unlike NZ's team of 5 million, this Indian province has a mere population of 240 million people. They did not invest in expensive vaccines or vacuous Vaxathons. <br /><br />But here's the rub, "News18 reported, "Let's look at the contrasting picture. Kerala, with its 3.5 crore population - or 35 million, on August 25 reported 31,445 new cases, a bulk of the total cases reported in the country. Uttar Pradesh, the biggest state with a population of nearly 24 crore - or 240 million - meanwhile reported just 22 cases in the same period." How did Uttar Pradesh flatten the curve? The strategy employed by Uttar Pradesh you will find is the "magical medicine home treatment kit responsible for eradicating COVID [which] contained the following: Paracetamol tablets [tylenol], Vitamin C, Multivitamin, Zinc, Vitamin D3, Ivermectin 12 mg [quantity #10 tablets], Doxycycline 100 mg [quantity #10 tablets]. Other non-medication components included face masks, sanitiser, gloves and alcohol wipes, a digital thermometer, and a pulse oximeter." <br /><br />Wow! Who would have thought? We don't have to line up the great unwashed to shot them and dispose of their covid-free bodies into mass graves of past atrocities. <br /><br />www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-blackout---part-v-the-secret-revealed/article_9a37d9a8-1fb2-11ec-a94b-47343582647b.html<br />David 888https://www.blogger.com/profile/08744617580285696484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-7450611087849466492021-10-18T16:14:30.099+13:002021-10-18T16:14:30.099+13:00Of course it's a good thing, as I said, that a...Of course it's a good thing, as I said, that all those people were vaccinated. The point I was trying to make (obviously not clearly enough) is that the figures were spun to obscure the fact that "Super Saturday" had only limited success in reaching the people who most needed to be jabbed - i.e. those who hadn't already a first shot.Karl du Fresnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05054853925940134404noreply@blogger.com