tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post5293929998992363740..comments2024-03-26T10:03:51.827+13:00Comments on Karl du Fresne: John Key: the whatever manKarl du Fresnehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05054853925940134404noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-19185192040932119392016-12-29T11:54:26.020+13:002016-12-29T11:54:26.020+13:00I agree with the comment of Jigsaw on December 201...I agree with the comment of Jigsaw on December 2016 at 12:03 PM.Barryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14062114725862850124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-71021590281432565082016-12-28T10:20:24.328+13:002016-12-28T10:20:24.328+13:00Tony Simpson has asked me to post the following re...Tony Simpson has asked me to post the following response:<br />"Jigsaw" has forgotten that the Christchurch I was describing was the city of forty years ago. Things may very well have changed in the meantime and for ever but as I hardly ever go there I couldn't say if that is so or not. He/ she also seems to think that I agree with the phenomenon involving the ranking of secondary schools which was so much a characteristic of the place in my youth. I most certainly do not. Notwithstanding my attendance at one of the 'top' schools (Christchurch Boys) I hated every moment of it and got out of Christchurch straight after university for a job in broadcasting in Wellington. In those times Wellington was a complete contrast to Christchurch. Stuffy, inward looking, dreary, provincial Christchurch versus open and bohemian Wellington. I have lived here ever since apart from a few years in London and never once regretted my decision to come here and make it my home. A pity John Key didn't make the same choice. We might have been spared his prime ministership. It's why I said in my earlier response that I felt sorry for him in a way.<br /><br />Karl du Fresnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05054853925940134404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-44173113061060339212016-12-26T12:03:51.979+13:002016-12-26T12:03:51.979+13:00John Key was certainly a can-kicker-down-the-road ...John Key was certainly a can-kicker-down-the-road and the worst thing he did in this regard is the ghastly separatist racial legacy he leaves behind. A problem that will get worse before (hopefully) it is all thrown out and he will be remembered for that and little else.Jigsawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13906156865367357834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-20608315176173622512016-12-26T11:59:56.697+13:002016-12-26T11:59:56.697+13:00I was most interested in the comment by Tony Simps...I was most interested in the comment by Tony Simpson. As it happens I grew up in working class Christchurch probably a decade before Simpson and I think his comment that you are politically what you were bought up to be is most revealing. I think that this was once true but has long gone. The sort of society In grew up in was working class but with huge differences to today's working class. All of our parents had been through the depression and this made them extremely ambitious (in general) for their children in a way that seems to me to have all but disappeared. People like Simpson and Chris Trotter stick with the concept but can't seem to see what has changed. As for Key going to a secondary school that was 'not quite top of the drawer' - not only do I think that is wrong but it typifies the Christchurch mentality and social awareness that is largely lost f the rest of the country -thankfully!Jigsawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13906156865367357834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-84388783011091357862016-12-23T18:14:25.841+13:002016-12-23T18:14:25.841+13:00Trading out on Democracy
There is a cryptic sayin...Trading out on Democracy <br />There is a cryptic saying which Ronald Regan Presidents used. It was <br />“ Don’t just do something, stand there “<br />It was an actors dictum, and it meant do not fiddle around while the leading actor is developing the theme, you will distract the audience, stay still on the stage, and face the lead actor.<br />Well, this fiddling about of course was exactly what John Key did do. <br />He distracted the public by fiddling and smiling. <br />He distracted us from massive social issues of Housing., <br />Immigration, Regional development, borrowing massively, and that tiny matter of loss of Equality of Democracy for the exchange of Maori votes.<br /><br />The level of cynicism is amazing, and it will yake us a few years to realise what the smiling one stood for. <br />Himself. <br />New Zealanders will easily the expression “ whatever “ as signifying a kind of casual and self centered attitude. <br />Over at the Libertarian blog 'Not PC', Mr. Cresswell referred to the former Prime Minister as a man who “ kicked cans down the road “ for eight years.<br />In my records I refer to the 5th National Government as “trading out on democracy” .<br /><br />Michael Coote elsewhere states that in the gambling den of the cynical trader.<br />“ Few other politicians have done more to create conditions ripe for the destruction of racial equality "<br />But really, No other Prime Minister except the short term Geoff Palmer has one more to demolish racial equality.<br />The Key legacy is a shocking testament to the political apathy of New Zealanders.<br /><br />While we were preparing the big canons to unleash on the fear and loathing of open Immigration, <br />Race based privilege was fostered and nurtured by the Key Government. <br />The actuality of the events is undeniable.<br /><br />We know that Immigration will take seniority in the social conservative space next year, <br />leaving this minor matter of Equity and Equality on the sidelines.<br />I often wondered how this could happen. <br />I think it is because video film of hordes of destructive immigrants raping, pillaging, and abusing Western Society has a huge emotional effect.<br /><br />So too the effect is emotional when you find your 30 year old daughter can not buy a house in Auckland. This when she has saved many times more than you for the home in which you raised her.<br />Key was a populist Prime Minister who did nothing.<br />There will be no statues built of John Key. <br />He is the “ whatever man”, the “ tin can kicker” , the “trader of democracy” for his own establishment.<br />He told his Mother when he was a boy. “ I am going to be famous and rich, <br />I am going to be the Prime Minister of New Zealand”<br />And what are you going to do as Prime Minister John Boy.<br />I’m not going to do anything, I am just going to be famous and rich.<br /><br />Reference / part of this comment is the same as that on the NZCPR site <br />paul scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15675247055484136242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-78653342463417524112016-12-19T09:41:08.491+13:002016-12-19T09:41:08.491+13:00However on the negative side he didn't spend a...However on the negative side he didn't spend a cent of his political capital on right of centre policies with the exception of dipping his toe in the water with charter schools.<br />He could easily have led the repeal of the anti-smacking legislation which 85% of New Zealanders were opposed to at the time. Also on his watch gay marriage came in which again was opposed by the majority of New Zealanders at the time.<br /><br />Unfortunately his successor Bill English has not got off to a great start by saying on day one that he would probably have voted for gay marriage if he had the opportunity again. Nothing like selling out on day one for a so-called Conservative Christian leader!<br /><br />It remains to be seen whether Bill English will actually do anything Christian or Conservative or even right of centre. It appears that labour comes in, madly institutes their left-wing policies, then national comes in and leaves them in place. It would be nice for a right of centre government to do something either right of centre or Conservative? Perhaps I am hoping for too much??Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09006013946847228416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-81220788565124413102016-12-19T09:37:00.530+13:002016-12-19T09:37:00.530+13:00Agree with your comments. I think John Key's a...Agree with your comments. I think John Key's appeal was that he was a nice guy who got on well with everybody. He was comfortable at a Christian music festival and equally comfortable at a gay rights parade. He had a knack of making himself agreeable with everybody. To be fair he has handled the economy well. Also he was very strong after the Christchurch earthquake and lead the country well in a time of real crisis.<br />Also and this is not widely known, he does quietly visit people who are sick and in need. For example he visited a very sick child in the Masterton Hospital a year or 2 ago. There was no fanfare or media entourage, he just did it.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09006013946847228416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-16951641032572761012016-12-18T11:55:11.158+13:002016-12-18T11:55:11.158+13:00Karl
I agree with you that Key seemed not to sta...Karl <br /><br />I agree with you that Key seemed not to stand for anything in particular.<br /><br />But what appeal he had for me was his willingness to answer almost any question. Mostly he did that well - without giving an answer to some imaginary unasked question, nor slagging off at the opposition.<br /><br />This was a welcome change in our political intercourse, and something others perhaps appreciated as well.Mike Werehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01592324206203544726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-22074918389028998902016-12-18T11:43:51.241+13:002016-12-18T11:43:51.241+13:00Karl I agree with you that Key seemed not to stand...Karl I agree with you that Key seemed not to stand for anything in particular.<br /><br />But what appeal he had for me was his willingness to answer almost any question. Mostly he did that well - without giving an answer to some imaginary unasked question, nor slagging off at the opposition.<br /><br />This was a welcome change in our political intercourse, and something others perhaps appreciated as well.<br />Mike Werehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01592324206203544726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-44143568211491826502016-12-18T11:43:13.301+13:002016-12-18T11:43:13.301+13:00Karl I agree with you that Key seemed not to stand...Karl I agree with you that Key seemed not to stand for anything in particular.<br /><br />But what appeal he had for me was his willingness to answer almost any question. Mostly he did that well - without giving an answer to some imaginary unasked question, nor slagging off at the opposition.<br /><br />This was a welcome change in our political intercourse, and something others perhaps appreciated as well.Mike Werehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01592324206203544726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-14199446733487297452016-12-17T19:04:14.216+13:002016-12-17T19:04:14.216+13:00Hi Karl,
I also prefer conviction politicians ev...Hi Karl, <br /><br />I also prefer conviction politicians even if I don't agree with them. John Banks, Jim Anderton both in opposite sides of the spectrum. <br /><br />John key was none of those. Bland, unexceptional, affable, likable for all his failings, one of us. <br /><br />He spent not a cent of his political capital advancing a conservative agenda. Will Bill be less passamomious? Probably not. Brendan McNeillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02741263914308842497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8442430064359197279.post-58381764517635358082016-12-17T10:48:19.101+13:002016-12-17T10:48:19.101+13:00I'm posting the following comment by proxy. It...I'm posting the following comment by proxy. It comes from Tony Simpson, who was thwarted in his attempt to post it himself. (He's not the first, I should add.)<br /><br />Ever since I was a teenager I have been fascinated by politics and the performers who prance on its many stages. John Key was an unfathomable mystery to me for many years. I rarely agreed with him politically but that's not the point. In my experience people are born with their politics ready made, reflecting their social background and how they were brought up, so there's nothing to be gained by railing at them for that reason. What I couldn't fathom was Key's continuing appeal. But eventually I concluded that the appeal was based on there being nothing there except a set of technical skills. He was really just a political mirror - if you looked at him you saw yourself. What drove him is also interesting. As it happens I grew up in working class Christchurch about a decade before Key and not far from where he lived as a child, so I know suburban north Christchurch very well. Key went to a not-quite-top-drawer secondary school (a matter of supreme importance in Christchurch). I'm sure he got out as soon as he could and went to London where his skills would have been appreciated and rewarded. Even more so in the City. But his social background was I'm sure a monkey on his back which drove him to look for a certain type of 'success'. I feel sorry for him in a way.Karl du Fresnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05054853925940134404noreply@blogger.com